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reversing the terrible trend of family breakdown which i think because of so many problems. this is a list of ways in which we can give power back to people. >> the book is coming out very soon. thanks very much. we will take you to melissa francis who is upstairs, in," harris. >> peter strzok has been fired and his attorney is hitting back
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at the agency. peter strzok was the fbi agent at the center of the firestorm over anti-trump text messages he's had while serving as the lead investigator on the hillary clinton email program and there are a start up of the russian investigation. president trump tweeted, "agent peter strzok was just fired from the fbi, finally. the list of bad players gets longer and longer based on the fact that he was in charge of the witch hunt, will it be dropped? but the total hoax. i just fight back. during the heat of congressional testimony, peter strzok denied that his opposition of president trump played any role in his decision-making at the nation's top law enforcement agency chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge's life with the latest in alexandria, virginia, where the trial of former trump campaign chair paul manafort is scheduled to resume. >> reporter: that trial is scheduled to reconvene at any time. in the meantime we have at that big news on fbi agent peter strzok. 45 minutes ago, the president weighed in on his determination on twitter and it reads in part "just fired agent struck, formally of the fbi. it was a total fraud on the american public and should be properly redone." also this morning we got a
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statement from agent strzok's attorney and he filled in the details. he said it went down on friday afternoon and it was done by the deputy director of the fbi. in that statement, his attorney alleges that the deputy director overruled the findings of the internal fbi disciplinary task force that he said had recommended a 60 day suspension as well as a demotion. that statement from strzok's lawyer reads, the decision to fire him was not only departure from typical bureau practice but also contradicts director at christopher wray's testimony to congress and his assurance that fbi intended to follow with regular processes in this at all personnel matters. this decision should be deeply troubling to all americans. the lawyer also said there was never one piece of concrete evidence that strzok allowed his own political views to infect the russia or the clinton email investigation.
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here is agent strzok in his recent testimony to that effect on capitol hill. >> like many people i had an express personal political opinions during an extraordinary presidential election. but let me be clear, unequivocally and under oath, not once in my 26 years of defending our nation did my personal opinions impact any official action i took. >> reporter: that testimony was to the house oversight and judiciary committees and many republicans, on that committee felt that his statement about the text messages and the explanation where a little bit of a stretch. for example, that august 2015 text when he talks about stopping trump, we will stop him, and a conversation with former fbi lawyer lisa page, he said that we he referred to was the american public, not senior officials within the fbi and justice department.
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the one kind of ridiculous. thank you for that. let's bring in bret baier, fox political anchor and host of "special report." what is the significance of this, doesn't move the ball forward for either side? >> it's a combination of what had been a lot of focus on peter strzok and his text. it was written up pretty aggressively in the ig report and the evidence against him, and that hearing that you're looking out there, where you all real fireworks on capitol hill, and it was kind of surreal at times in the exchangers with peter strzok. later we came to find out that lisa page testified to the intelligence committee that when they were texting about all of those things, it was what it was and she testified completely different than peter strzok we are told.
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i think eventually the rock was rolling down the hill, and he was going to get let go or suspended and he got let go friday. >> we still don't know what the insurance policy was, right? >> >> bret: from what we are told, behind closed doors lisa page was very forthcoming and essentially said that they were talking, when we look at those texts, that was the context. i think there's a lot of those pieces that are going to be put together and i think you will see another inspector general's report of the early days of the trump investigation, the russia probe and how that was handled. when that comes out, we don't know. >> what would be the ramifications of that? because the ig report comes out and maybe it has some recommendations, but these people have already lost their
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job. is there ever any sort of -- >> bret: resolution. >> melissa: yes or punishment, punishment. >> bret: he has a talking about all before the midterms. you have this collision course of the two sides of this investigation and they are likely going to come together sometime in the fall. >> the president is tweeting and kind of reminding people of the fact that it was in fact peter strzok got fired today and he was on the draft of the memo that open up the russia probe. in his mind that means that the whole russia probe is a hoax. how does that play in washington, do people follow that same line of thinking or is there more to it than that? >> bret: it depends on what side of the aisle you are on. up on capitol hill there are lots of folks about statements today that sat on the republican
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side, it's been a long time coming and clearly peter strzok had a bias that was seen in those texts, noted by the ig. on the democratic side they don't see it that way and they are waiting for mueller to come forward with whatever he has. but as time goes on, the narratives get set in stone and until we get some concrete evidence one way or the other, it just is talking points. >> melissa: and then you hear rudy giuliani talking about whether or not this mueller sit down will happen. it's starting to feel a little bit like that clinton tactic where they say a lot of things, everything possible that's out there and it muddies the water a little bit on what was said, what was agreed to and what wasn't. it seems like maybe a tap dance to just sort of keep talking until there is some sort of resolution. what's your defense -- is that of a real possibility that the
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president will sit down, or that mueller will wrap this up anytime soon? >> bret: on the latter question, i think the possibility that it comes sometime early fall before the midterms report, and i don't know what form it will take but some kind of resolution of some part of that investigation, i think that percentage is high. the fact over the possibility of other president sits down with mueller, i think that's lame. go back to your interview with the ladies they are on "outnumbered" with rudy giuliani on the phone, and about questions and all that, we haven't really advanced of all that much since that time. >> that was astonishing, and it didn't feel like it had cleared up a lot and that sort of how you feel about this whole idea of whether or not the president is going to sit down. it seems like maybe a subterfuge. >> bret: it's like chinese food.
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he read it and they were hungry after a little while. or i am. >> melissa: on that note, it's lunchtime and i'm hungry. for more on this, let's bring in the president of judicial watch, tom fenton's organization has played a role in requesting documents in the russia investigation. let me get straight off the bat your impression. >> tom: it's long overdue and a body blow to the mueller investigation. peter strzok is an architect to the russia collusion theory which we know is fraudulently based and there would be no mueller investigation without peter strzok. he was instrumental as the lead investigator and was certainly behind of the collision with fusion gps. the fisa court documents and all that, is a senior official in the fbi. the ig concluded that maybe some of his activity was impacted by his animus to president trump
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or, then candidate trump. he should have been nowhere near either the clinton or the trump investigations and the president tweeted, we have to reopen the investigation because of people like peter peter strzok, and we to shut down the mall or investigation. >> you are the one who gets up documents before other people and you heard bret baier's talk about lisa page's testimony not matching up with what peter strzok said. have you heard that and how do you eventually get access to that? >> it's up to congress to release that testimony. that's why we have to sue in court the agencies directly to get some of the documents that congress has looked at privately but won't release publicly, or in the case of testimony, malt released publicly. his testimony needs to be publicized as quickly as it can so we have fuller information. right now we are battling the fbi for the text messages of andrew mccabe, the number two
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at the fbi that was fired. when you look at the fbi and the department of justice, you had james comey fired for misconduct, andrew mccabe fired for misconduct, strzok fired for misconduct, lisa page demoted, all of whom had a hand in this russia investigation that mueller is now running with. he needs to be questioned, frankly, about how he used mr. strzok that he was let go and no one was told about it for four months, the reasons behind him being let go. >> it's unbelievable. >> melissa: i know that you have been behind trying to get those text messages related to andrew mccabe and his wife joe mccabe and her 2015 run for state senate. in which she took money from "hillary people." why is that that you want to see those texts? do you want to see a quid pro quo and they are or what do you think is in there?
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>> we are asking for text messages on behalf of a retired fbi agent, jeffrey danner, about the clinton email investigation. and we suspect there is going to be some interesting material there. certainly now the fbi has told us that they don't even want to look at those text messages let alone turn them over to us. this is just typical of what's going on at the justice department and the fbi. they don't think the answer to congress, the president or the rule of law and we hope the courts intervened to get us to messages. the president tweeted over the weekend, in a way that suggests he might intervene to get these text messages public, that will be good, too, too. >> melissa: real quick, who is this new fbi agent that you are talking about, how did you get on to him and what do you think the issue is? >> tom: he is a supervisory
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agent who asked for the text messages of andrew mccabe. he had experience and record retention policies and he suspected there would be text messages so we asked specifically for them. we think getting the runaround for almost a year from the fbi. why are they sitting on the text messages of this corrupt fbi agent? you can bet it's because they know it would blow it right open specifically to the clinton email cover-up. >> melissa: thank you for coming on and staying on the story. new developments when it comes to a potential trump-mueller sitdown. the new demand from rudy giuliani. plus, paul manafort's tax fraud trial expected to resume today following court proceedings friday. and former independent counsel on what this could have been on what this could have been about. is manafort's side looking for i
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"the wall street journal," the president's legal team also believes they can weather a negative report from mueller and they are. to rebut his conclusions with the report of his own. this as a rudy giuliani said that president trump never had any conversation within fbi director james comey about going easy on former aide michael flynn, a key point in our ongoing obstruction of justice investigation. white house correspondent kevin corke has one from the white house. >> reporter: just last week, rudy giuliani submitted a proposal to the mueller team and in it he said the president would be willing to have a conversation if that conversation was limited to collusion with russia in the 2016 election. but not about obstruction of justice after he took office. the concern here melissa is that obstruction questions according to the president's lawyers, could ultimately become a trap for perjury accusations. so what happens next?
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should the mueller reject the offer, the special counsel could still choose to subpoena the president which would almost certainly set into motion a legal showdown. rudy giuliani thinks it's high time that this program ended. >> we think it should end. the investigation should be overcome if terminated. he should put out his report of the american people what he has. they could evaluate it, they are entitled to this information before your simple date. and he throughout september 1st as a date he might be able to get the report done by. >> reporter: be heard rudy giuliani dimension and it's important to point out, because of this particular office there are specific rules. we are talking about mueller's probe. one of the requirements of the probe is he has to issue a report which has to be reported to the attorney general.
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in this particular case, the ag has recused himself in that report would ultimately go to rod rosenstein. whether or not it happens by early september he needs anyone's guess. it's been one or more on this let's bring in federal prosecutor robert ray who served as the independent counsel for the whitewater investigation and the clintons back in the 1990s. what's your impression as to where we are right now in this, does it appear to be wrapping up as some people are saying? >> i think there's political pushback and there's pressure being pushed by the white house to see if mueller's will resolve itself and also related to that question is whether or not the president will sit for an interview. i guess the position now is the president will not do so unless it occurs prior to september 1. the final report issue is the very thing that's out there which is to suggest that if the
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mueller investigation wraps things up in whole or in part they would have to do so very soon after the first of september in order for that report to be delivered to the deputy attorney general. also for the president's team to file whatever counter they would like to present, all of which then ultimately would be delivered to congress and all of that would have to occur in sufficient time before the election so that no one would really feel unfairly impacted by that major story. >> melissa: is it your sense, it seems like rudy giuliani continues to sit change when ty would sit down. at some point that mueller just say, it's not going to happen, we will finish and go on? >> he does have to decide and i think the problem is from investigative stamp, if he were to react to, let's say, the president's ultimate determination through his lawyers not to volunteer for an
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interview, the only recourse is a subpoena. that would be litigated and my expectation is that would probably last for a year if it were fully litigated. in the district court for d.c., possibly in the court of appeals or may be a direct appeal, in any event, you won't have a final decision with regard to that issue probably for a year. i don't think this investigation has all the luxury of doing that, and the question is what's the point of having the president sit down voluntarily for an interview to give them additional statements? he is well advised as far as sitting in the shoes of of being a defense lawyer, and the best advice your client should accept is don't make any further statements. >> when you look at the reactions finding out that peter strzok had been fired and given that he is the guy that wrote the memo that set in motion the
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russia collision investigation, you've seen the president's tweets how he tries to link those things and say, that means this investigation is a hoax on its face. >> i think he does have a point about the origins of the investigation and quite frankly from a personnel matter i was sort of wondering when the firing of peter strzok was going to occur because i think it was all but inevitable. that makes two, andrew mccabe was also fired and they were fired not just because of expressions of bias but more significantly, they use the processes of the justice system and fbi in order to impact an election. whether that was done flippantly or what his motivations work doesn't matter. that sensitive position, that in my judgment is completely unacceptable and is a firing offense. >> melissa: let me ask you about the manafort trial. so they had an unexpected recess
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on friday, what do you make of that? >> i don't know what to make of that. i could speculate about all kinds of things that it might be but, i think we will probably know sometime in the near future what was going on on friday but i really don't know. >> melissa: the prosecution, did they present a good case? >> i think they dated, and they did so in the face of a very difficult and i would suggest cantankerous district judge. this story seems to be one of greed assisted by an underlayment. i think the jury in white-collar cases gets that and it wouldn't surprise me if the jury decides independent of all this other stuff that swirling around and the impact that it might have insofar as the mueller investigation is concerned, it sounds like this investigation independently against paul manafort had merit. >> melissa: they had that
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recess, prosecution is done, do you think they are meeting saying, this is our case? >> i think that's unlikely. >> thank you so much, great stuff and great information sources telling fox that iran has testfired a ballistic missile for the first time in more than a year. just as president trump was about to reimpose sanctions. after pulling the u.s. out of the iran nuclear deal, so are they trying to send a message and how should the president respond? plus we are awaiting president trump's finding in the 700 million defense bill. is he fulfilling his campaign promise to help the military? >> president trump: i will submit a new budget to rebuild our military. our military. it is so deflated, we will
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>> melissa: fox news alert, just a short time from now president trump will sign a 700 billion defense policy bill aimed at rebuilding the military and weakening chinese foreign investment and telecommunications technology. brian yunus is alive in fort drum new york, with the latest. >> reporter: good afternoon melissa. just about an hour from down the commander-in-chief will speak at fort drum in central new york. we will talk about how this $716 billion national defense authorization act will be spent to better accomplish for key things. let's run through them. it will better position the u.s. military to really go against threats from china and russia. it will improve our missile defenses in modern modernize our military forces and it will also do a better job of caring for our troops. the bill is particularly tough on china and trying to counter china's increased military activity in the south china sea.
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it improves taiwan's military defenses as well as adding more joint training exercises with taiwan. taiwan is a self-governing island that china that is actually their territory. the bill also calls for more military exercises and joint military exercises with australia, japan and india. it also calls for a tightened u.s. national security reviews of chinese business deals in an effort to stop some of this espionage, corporate as well as spying that we are seeing from china. it also does more to sanction vt which is a chinese telecommunication giant. it blocks the u.s. police and contractors from using vte technology in an effort to stop the chinese spying. that's about $250,000 that will go to the ukraine and also an increased number of troops in europe as well as new money and
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cyborg capabilities to go against russia. in terms of modernizing our missile's defense, this is another $350 million that are being pumped into our nuclear war and nuclear weapons to modernize them and we are also talking about more patriot missiles that will be added in south korea, as a course that north korea threats to loans. this act has a 2.6% salary bump for our troops, something that you know many people here will be happy to hear from our president. >> it should come as no surprise, that something that candida trump was promising on the campaign trail in 2016. >> president trump: america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. we will spend what we need to
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rebuild our military. it is the cheapest single investment we can make. we will develop, build and purchase the best equipment known to mankind. our military dominance must be unquestioned, and i mean unquestioned by anybody and everybody. but we will look for savings and spend our money wisely. >> melissa: it joining me now is house arms committee member martha mcsally. if there is one thing we have learned about the president, it is that he sees all of these pieces sitting together, so maybe you can help us see the larger picture here. he connects the idea of putting pressure on north korea, russia and china with the tariff and with this kind of spending as well. what is the message that he is sending today and to whom it
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hasn't done like your opinion? >> this is president trump leading to make sure he can keep our country safe and, after the failures and after the obama administration, its historic units like these that are going to get the readiness. we are finally turning that around. it's been an honor to partner with them. i flew the warthog protecting troops like these and we are finally stopping the bleeding. that's his the president has been very focused on china when we talk about the bad actors. he's been very focused on cyber terror and their involvement with north korea, putting pressure on them through tariffs. this is another thing saying
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directly, we are going after the north china sea. how do you think they receive that message? >> reporter: they should receive it loud and clear. and make sure than america is first. in the last administration we watched china easily attack into things, and we needed an infusion of resources, like with pardon for president trump and we will combine all the diplomatic efforts in order to protect our interests around the lobe and make sure that the troops, the army, navy, air force and marines have everything they need with future capabilities including artificial intelligence, hypersonic sent other things that china has invested in. we are the ones that need to be ahead on that and invest capabilities to include missile
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defense. >> you talking about missiles and bad actors, iran testfired a missile for the first time so far this year. what is your reaction to that and what should our response be? >> we need to continue a maximum pressure campaign like president trump is leading on, whether that continues to be the largest state sponsor of terror in the region. we need to crank up the pressure and we see the iranian people are starting to rise up. keep using economic military strength and deterrence, and diplomacy in order to turn them in a different direction. this was a bad decision on their part. we have to keep america and our allies safe, especially as oriole. our strong allies in the region and this president, partnering with us is standing up against iran, north korea, china, russia, and isis is on the run. we are showing strengths again that we haven't seen a very long time. >> melissa: i heard
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general jack keane earlier today talking about both the military exercises in the water, and as well as this missile testing. and, externally they are trying to show this in terms of force. is that how you interpret what's going on there, do you agree? >> reporter: we have seen that and other elements of the regime and when they feel weakness internally, what do they do? and that's a pattern that we definitely see from regimes like this. it doesn't surprise me, and i don't know what's going on in their process but, we need to make sure that our troops have the next generation capabilities. we have had a readiness crisis over the last obama administration. we have had more people die in
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training accidents, 80 people, then in combat in the last years which is 20. and we will partner with them and i'm proud to be here. >> melissa: congresswoman, thank you for joining us. with the music behind you you did a wonderful job. thank you. have a great day. more on our top story today, the fbi firing controversial anti-trump fbi agent peter strzok. why does the agency wait until now to do it? and what could this mean for the russia probe in our power panel is here next
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it's >> melissa: back now to
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our top story, the fbi firing peter strzok. the agent got caught sending antitrust texts during the campaign. this after the bureau's deputy director overruled an internal disciplinary review that
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recommended strzok be demoted and suspended. let's bring in our power panel, kevin mccullough and david bernstein. kevin, what do you make of the firing today? >> long overdue, should have happened months ago. >> melissa: it's a government, nothing is fast. >> i remember a day in which, and i've known fbi agents for most of my life. adultery has never been allowed in the fbi and why these two on that level were allowed to have an affair can be exposed and stay active in the rank seems unusual because they are very worried about keeping agents clean and making sure you have integrity of the process. so the fact that you had long-term standards being overlooked, but you also had all kinds of animus documented between these two. it should have been done away with a long time ago. why it took so long as a mystery. >> melissa: what's your take?
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>> i think this is a real distraction, a broader issue, and primarily it's probably better that he is gone than not. but this guy was one agent inside of a large system with lots of, as we now know different investigations. it suggests that he was somehow the key man. >> he was the one that wrote the memo that opened the investigation. >> i think when people hear about these things they don't take it into account. the fbi, huge bureaucracy with lots of people, lots of checks and, they somehow offer that.
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>> i argue that but i argue with you are the point guy and that turns into the counterintelligence investigation on trumpet, and you have two investigations that have been bungled as badly as these two things have been, i think he's got something to answer for. >> to go back to your point, it's hardly one guy because it's peter strzok and lisa page who are now hearing something very different be behind closed doors. if you have andrew mccabe who was also fired for cause, or lying about his contact with the media, and there's a whole bunch of people, but there are those others that text with the same bias and they haven't even revealed to those type's belong to. >> it's probably the right decision for him to be fired, if for nothing else, we can move on and talking about him. the reality is, if we put a microscope on every single public servant in this country, i'm sure we would find lots of things that are in violation of pages and codes and hundreds and hundreds of pages.
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the fact remains that we are not talking about are that there are serious investigations and it's not a witch hunt but a serious investigation. the effort is to say, it's all because of peter strzok and his colleagues, it's totally wrong. and the investigation does go. >> melissa: i think would be easier to accept that if we ever got to know the insurance policy was, and when you said, -- he said, we will stop it and now hearing that lisa page testified behind closed doors, there was a very different answer from what peter strzok said to congress which frankly wasn't very believable. >> melissa, the point you're trying to make with david is a valid one, the culture of the fbi is the problem and it was kind of spearheaded by mr. comey. the top brass and there was this culture within that leadership. look at how many people have been fired, demoted, moved on and let go? their inspector general said
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this is a problematic culture and a started making changes. speeds and strzok was a key piece of that. >> melissa: pause there, we have more to talk about. the white house and the president blasting omarosa after secret reporting. what the president is saying about this right now. ok everyone! our mission is to provide complete,
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>> hi, everyone, i'm dana perino. president trump is set to speak out fort drum and we will see if he comments on some of the hot topics today including omarosa secret recordings or the firing of fbi agent peter strzok present those anti-trump text messages. at several stateful primaries tomorrow and we will talk to one of the republicans running for the senate in minnesota. that's all coming up on the daily briefing. >> melissa: of the white house and president trump firing back at omarosa after the former white house aide dropped secret recordings from her time at the white house. the latest and allegedly taped conversation with the president where he sounds surprised to hear she had been fired. >> i just saw on the news that
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you were thinking about leaving. >> general kelly came to me and said you guys wanted me to leave. speak to nobody even told me about it. they run a big operation but i do know that. >> melissa: the white house says that omarosa's claims are riddled with lies and she is just out there to sell her book. who knew. the president tweeting today, "wacky omarosa who got fired three times on the apprentice now got fired for the last time. she never made it, never will. to beg for a job with tears in her eyes and i said okay. she's vicious but not smart." back with kevin mccullough and run for america founder david bernstein. i can't believe we are talking about this. >> neither can we. look, i don't think anybody out there takes omarosa seriously but obviously, this is the
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culture that comes along with president trump. it is a reality show culture and i think that the thing that is most interesting to me about this, if you listen to that recording and hear the president saying that, and omarosa is now saying that the president did leader admit to her that he knew, one of the things that is most telling about this president is his inability to fire people. his inability to take responsibility people he's brought into his orbit who have done bad things and that kind of behavior to go on the phone with somebody and deny that he knew anything about it is so irresponsible. as someone who has run companies, i found that lack of leadership to be among the most troubling qualities of the president. and people out there who have had jobs and been laid off -- >> they don't care. but i appreciate the rest of your point. here's what i would say, the president has tried to reward people around him who were loyal to him early on with perks later
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on because he appreciated. if you think back to the very beginning, no one thought he was going to win the nomination, much less the president. but as a result the people who were going to throw in him at the very early stage have proven to be a little sketchy in the long run and that has come back to bite him. >> not even sketchy, but he said they didn't live up to what they expected. and i don't think anyone has been bludgeoned more by the president through twitter, but this is the president who does reward loyalty to me on almost an unbelievable scale and he said in that same tweet, you didn't finish reading the end of it, he was glad he hired her because she had spoken so nicely about him early on at the end of the day, i think you have to give the president of the latitude to tweak and run his
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administration the way he needs to. i think you're point to david just a second ago about people not caring about this is really well understated because, what's really happening is you have the lowest unemployment in the modern era. you have incredible advances in different areas that we needed to be happening and that should be one of the about. >> melissa: it's interesting how the media as a whole treats the story because early on they didn't like to put her on all the time and didn't give her a lot of credibility because they felt like she was only sticking up for the president to see what she could get for herself out of it or seeing them from reality television. april ryan said that omarosa had recordings of her and she felt like a claim had been doctored. then they put her on the first block of the today show and everywhere else this morning because she's going out to trash the president >> of course it's a problem, reality is, this is not a serious person. she shouldn't have been hired, given book deal, be on
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television talking about it. it's very clear what kind of person she is and scandal cells and we all know that. we do it here, and which shouldn't be surprising that she's getting her time, but of course it's not right. >> melissa: and who are we to judge what people watch? >> okay. more outnumbered "outnumbered d just a moment. ♪ >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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>> melissa: thank you for joining us, i am a melissa francis in for harris faulkner. i will see you at 4:00 p.m. and of the daily briefing starts right now. >> new fallout from the fbi firing anti-trump text or peter strzok after the president ways and with a tweet. hello everyone, i'm dana perino and this is "the daily briefing briefing." ♪ spiel and strzok's attorney says his client was fired because of political pressure adding that that should be a deeply troubling to all americans, the president tweeting the same, and the mueller investigation is a total hoax. catherine herridge is live in alexandria, virginia. >> reporter: the president weighed in about an hour after there was confirmation

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